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I am the great-grand-daughter of Adeline Eliza Hanson Rumball and Henry Rumball. Henry was born in Camden Town, North London and later moved to Turkey where he spent the rest of his life. I knew about the connection to Turkey by way of Family Lore. My father, Cyril Rumball was a great story teller, truth as well as bull1, and I gobbled it up from 1st grade on. When asked in school about my nationality, I repeated what he always told me: I am a Papoose2 from Turkey!
My grand-parents, Herbert Henry Rumball and his wife Mary Stanton, lived in Canada, here in Erie, Pennsylvania, and Pittsburg, Pennsylvania USA for most of their married life but Mary died before I was born, and Herbert Henry went back to Canada, where they lived when Mont and Adeline (their eldest children) were born. Herbert Henry and his brothers Alfred Charles and Walter, all had farms around Edmonton, Alberta. Mary and some of the children are buried here and I have a picture of the Stanton family plot. Raymond, Cyril, Clare, and Herbert Charles, all settled here in Erie and I knew them well. Most of the Stanton family also remained in Erie and are a fascinating family in their own right.
I am Cyril’s only daughter and James is the only son. My father sure didn’t follow his father’s foot-steps.
Herbert Henry re-married in 1917 and as far as I know remained there. I have not been able to find a record of his death, but I do remember a letter coming to the house from his wife telling us about it. I was a teenager at the time and so have guessed the date to be about 1942. Communication with him was very sparse as he was not held in much esteem, having left his family in the care of his in-laws. Mont was enlisted in the Queen’s Army in the 1st World War and Bertram also wound up in Canada with him I think. In one letter received from him he referred to his wife as “Billy” and said they were raising horses for the Canadian Mounties, in another we received an invitation to visit, and then the death notice. Why a wife named Jean was referred to as Billy has been puzzling me. Could there have been a third wife?
Henry Rumball, whom Adeline Eliza Hanson married, was the 1st cousin of Emelia Bethynia Maceroni who wrote “Constantinople During The Crimean War” a compilation of her letters home [Google book view]. The letters were written when she and her husband Sir Edmund Grimani Hornby were stationed in Constantinople. Henry Rumball who worked3 under Sir Edmund as Treasurer of the Supreme Consular Court of Constantinople [archive newspaper view], appears to have been living with them. This is probably how he met Adeline Eliza, though their relationship is not mentioned in her book. In the Henry James Hanson biography, he mentions the fact the Lady Hornby was living in one of his father’s houses. This was a fun find, as some of the pictures included in the Hanson Collection fit so perfectly with Emilia’s account of where they were living. Lady Hornby’s two books are still in print and is well worth reading (other being ‘In and around Stamboul’). One other fact of interest to Hanson researchers is that Emelia’s father, Francis Maceroni, according to her book spent a year of his life in that area. He was an engineer, inventor, soldier and a thwarted, would be rescuer of Napoleon Bonaparte from exile. In what capacity he was there she didn’t say, she just said that she had seen the house where he spent that year. His Biography is available on the web and is a very good read.
I have no Hanson or Rumball pictures from Turkey. It took me 5 years to uncover anything at all about Henry Rumball. I found evidence of Adeline Eliza and her daughter immigrating to Canada and of course using the name Rumball. I had also found Adeline and son Herbert Henry in UK census 1881 using the name Rumble, boarding, and from Constantinople.4 I knew I had the right people but never found any record leading me to Henry. To this day the only thing I had to go on was what come down through the family.
My Grandfather Herbert Henry Rumball, according to family lore, was born in a harem where his mother was gifted by a Sultan with a lovely ring which is still in my possession. After becoming aware of Adeline’s background (thanks to your site) I quite doubt this tale! If any of this is of interest to any of your contacts I would very much like hearing from them. I am 82 years old and have always been interested in finding out more about my ancestors. The family is surely very interesting on all sides. These last five years of my life have been fun, even if the harem and ring story may be all hype for my grandmother’s cosmetic line5 which was supposedly gleaned from her mother-in-law’s stay at the harem! Henry was connected to the Embassy as the story was told and I do have the old birth certificate from Candilli. If Lady Hornby visited harems, as her book states, I guess the birth at the harem could have been true of Adeline. Does any one know??
Going further back in time on the Rumball side of the family, other mysteries creep up. The Levant Co. and the East India Co. both feature strongly in the history of my family tree and I have found it historically very interesting. The names in my tree date back to Barbados8 at the time of Captain Kidd and I find some of the names from there which crop up in Smyrna (eg. Cumberbatch). As yet I have not been able to link them but my intuition keeps nudging me on. Worrell for instance comes up in Barbados and in Smyrna comes Borell. The Barbados site warns of many errors in transcription due to the quality of the records and I can see some evidence of this. The records of the early American Colonies around Virginia and the south are stored in Barbados as many planters lived in the Colonies and had their plantations in Barbados. In the 1851 census Henry Rumball showed up at the home of his brother Thomas Rumball, civil engineer, and was listed as a West Indian Planter. Co-incidence or is he related to the Henry Rumball who inherited a plantation in St. George’s Parish in Barbados from Capt. Robert Rumball? Will proved 1662 --- I guess he could have been a grand son of one of the 3 brothers who inherited. His father’s name was Thomas Rumball and not much is known about him.
Thomas Rumball Married Jane Williams, Daughter of Jane Palmer and Edward Williams-Wynn. The Wynn was later dropped. Edwards parentage is a mystery that occupies many family members to this very day. Jane Palmer had 6 children, 2 boys and 4 girls. I am the great-great-grand-daughter of her daughter Jane who married Thomas Rumball. Henry Rumball their 1st born son is my great-grand-father. Henry married Charles Simpson Hanson’s daughter Adeline Eliza.
I have another contact, Andrew Malleson, of Canada, who contacted me about a year ago, after I left a message about trying to identify the correct Henry Rumball. He sent me a copy of The Williams Family tree which contained many notes and was so large it has to be spread out on a bed to read it. We are both descendants of two different sisters born to Jane Palmer and Edward Williams-Wynn. Nothing much is known about Edwards parentage, but there is some thought that he was the illegitimate son of the Winstay Wynnes family. This investigation has been going on for about a century I guess and includes investigators from Australia, Canada, London and Pennsylvania. I guess I have lots of cousins out there!
Andrew is the great-great-grandson of Lady Hornby’s Father, Francis Maceroni [image] who dictated his 1000 page 2 volume Biography - hover here for index section covering his time at Smyrna - to Henry Rumball’s younger brother Thomas when the boy was only about 9 yrs old. Thomas became a renowned Civil engineer. Francis Macaroni married, Elizabeth Ann Williams, Emelia’s mother and then also formed and illegitimate second family with her sister, Bithinia Charlotte Williams. This really confused family historians when the name of his wife kept changing. It is believed that neither family knew of the other. The family member who made the big tree and invested much of his life to the Big Tree, as I call it left all his family pictures and letters etc, to a nephew in Canada who very graciously hosted Andrew for a week while he made copies of everything. Lady Hornby’s book is still in print and probably in the library. Andrew sent me a copy as a gift and I loved it. One of her letters home tells about seeing the house where her father, Macaroni stayed for a year there in Constantinople somewhere. He was an inventor (The Macaroni Steam Carriage, which ran in London and is pictured in his Bio along with his portrait). He was also involved in a plot to lead some mercenary soldiers he had hired to rescue Napoleon from exile. They were too late. He believed the British had him poisoned. BBC ran a documentary about Napoleon’s dentist while in exile who, shortly before Napoleon died pulled his canine tooth and gave it to his would be rescuers, General Macaroni included. They were recently (Nov. 2005) auctioned off and sold for a huge amount of money (~£11.000). Francis had left his tooth to his wife who gave it to a friend who collected Napoleon Memorabilia. Emelia Hornby also visited harems with a Mrs Barker, summered on Price’s Island [Prinkipo], met Florence Nightingale and hosted a harem when a Pasha’s wife came to visit her. It was quite a tale. Henry was spotted by the wife through the window, while reading in the garden and she demanded to see him up close. After much discussion with her protectors, as Emelia felt the Pasha trusted her to act according to his customs, Henry was presented to the veiled women from a distance in the room. He cut up a bit of fabric and veiled his own face for awhile, teasing the women. Emelia pulled it off after a while and the women thought he was very handsome...
Then in May 2008, Andrew Malleson [click for his submission on the story of the Borell family of Smyrna] sent me copies of all that he copied from old family records. Within the files I came across an interesting bit about the whereabouts of a rug from Smyrna. It looks like a photo of a plaque, as it appears boxed.
With a hand written note: Placed in the War Memorial Chapel of All Souls at SE James Weybridge.
So, I sent an e-mail to the Church authorities and they responded within a week and I was thrilled to get such a courteous reply:
We are definitely the church referred to in the text of the note you quote from, and indeed do have an All Souls Chapel which was refitted as a memorial to the men from the parish of Weybridge who died in World War One. There is also a rug in the church, though not in the All Souls Chapel. There is no plaque or note like the one you describe, so I can’t be sure that our rug (which is now a bit old and threadbare) is the one donated by your family. In any case, I attach a picture of it.
However, one of the treasures of the church is the processional cross which was donated to us by Dame Giulia Vaillant, and she is also one of your forebears I attach a picture of that in case it’s of any interest to you, as well as of the inscription mentioning Dame Giulia. Famously, the cross includes a set of rock crystals which were part of a gift to her from China, and which were shipwrecked and recovered twice on the journey to Britain!
James Rattue - Assistant Curate, St James’ Church, Weybridge.
Guilia (Julia) Vaillant, was Francis Maceroni’s daughter by Elizabeth Ann Williams, his 1st and legal wife, sister of Jane Williams Rumball, Henry Rumball’s mother. Lady Emelia Maceroni Hornby was Guilia’s sister. These girls were his only children by Elizabeth Ann, who incidentally spent time in Constantinople with Emelia and Edmund helping to care for their children. In Emelia’s book it records a very severe winter and how well her mother coped with it. I gathered that Grandma and the children came to stay just before Sir Edmond Grimani Hornby was assigned to China. Their last child, Hugh, was born in Constantinople.
Many of Emelia’s letters in her book were written to Julia, and The Rug may have been a gift sent to her by Emelia. She was always collecting things to send home. Of course these things which were given to the church might have been things her father sent home also.
The 3rd Williams girl, Charlote Bythinia Williams Maceroni, was the mother of the girl who married the Borell and where Andrew Malleson eventually enters this family. I think this family was even more involved in that part of the world than we have thus far discovered. This is a family with history every where! Venezuela, China, Barbados, Calcutta, etc.
I have just recently been sent copies of all Wilfrid Vaillant’s (Maceroni’s grandson) research papers, which are 100 years old, and very interesting, if they can be read. I was very grateful when the typewriter come into the picture from some of the agencies he used! This collections includes family letters as well. Lucky me!
Returning to my direct lineage, Henry’s brother Thomas, whose son Thomas Drury is buried there in Turkey, was a civil engineer working there in Constantinope on the railroads, and other civic projects, such as waterworks etc. I do not know why the son died but I think he had the boy for his ‘rite of passage’6. A third brother of Henry, was Albert Rumball, also a civil engineer. He too was involved with Thomas and another fellow in a Gas plant or something for Russia. It seems to have fallen through, as it has not been followed up in either of their notes. Thomas had another son, Henry Medlicott Rumball, who was a barrister but was also involved in railroad building in Canada. Maybe he supervised the Purse!7
Adeline Hanson at the time had a brother with a farm in Canada, so maybe more could be turned up about her in their records. An old family tree that I have says she is buried up there and husband Henry who predeceased her at Scutari, Turkey. Another says they are both buried in Kensal Green Cemetery around London. Maybe it is just a marker in Kensal Green. Adeline died at the age of 82. She died at 1727 College Lane, Calgary on Sat. 30th January 1921 at 5 a.m., buried at Calgary, Alberta, Canada. I think Wilbur, the recorder of this tree, must have had a death certificate to have all this info. This could be a son’s address, as 3 of her sons settled in or around Calgary, or it also could be where her brother had his farm. One of her daughters, Adeline Beatrice predeceased her, in 1917 and is buried at Kersey, Alberta Canada, Leaving a husband and 2 young boys.
The investigations of the many strands of my family continue. I have come to the conclusion that Adeline Eliza Hanson’s lineage is of great interest and so is the lineage of her husband. I come from good stock all around! Well… good or not… INTERESTING.
Helen Clare Rumball Bule, Jan. 2008 hcbule[at]verizon.net
Notes: References to the Rumball family of Constantinople are also found here:
1- Birth dates of two of Henry Rumball’s children recorded here: recorded interestingly in the registers of the Anglican Church of Malta, suggesting the family had ties with that island.
2- Obituary record of Walter Francis Rumball, born Constantinople 1867, died 1929 Peace River, Canada as recorded in that district’s regional paper.
3- The Hanson family records mentions the Rumball family fleetingly in parts, and there is a vague mention of ‘Rumball Trust’, obviously for the care of the children and widow post the death of Henry Rumball.
Note: Unfortunately Mrs Bule passed away June 26, 2011, peacefully with her family. God rest her soul.
Click here to read her obituary:
submission date 2008-10
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My grand-parents, Herbert Henry Rumball and his wife Mary Stanton, lived in Canada, here in Erie, Pennsylvania, and Pittsburg, Pennsylvania USA for most of their married life but Mary died before I was born, and Herbert Henry went back to Canada, where they lived when Mont and Adeline (their eldest children) were born. Herbert Henry and his brothers Alfred Charles and Walter, all had farms around Edmonton, Alberta. Mary and some of the children are buried here and I have a picture of the Stanton family plot. Raymond, Cyril, Clare, and Herbert Charles, all settled here in Erie and I knew them well. Most of the Stanton family also remained in Erie and are a fascinating family in their own right.
I am Cyril’s only daughter and James is the only son. My father sure didn’t follow his father’s foot-steps.
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Herbert Henry re-married in 1917 and as far as I know remained there. I have not been able to find a record of his death, but I do remember a letter coming to the house from his wife telling us about it. I was a teenager at the time and so have guessed the date to be about 1942. Communication with him was very sparse as he was not held in much esteem, having left his family in the care of his in-laws. Mont was enlisted in the Queen’s Army in the 1st World War and Bertram also wound up in Canada with him I think. In one letter received from him he referred to his wife as “Billy” and said they were raising horses for the Canadian Mounties, in another we received an invitation to visit, and then the death notice. Why a wife named Jean was referred to as Billy has been puzzling me. Could there have been a third wife?
Henry Rumball, whom Adeline Eliza Hanson married, was the 1st cousin of Emelia Bethynia Maceroni who wrote “Constantinople During The Crimean War” a compilation of her letters home [Google book view]. The letters were written when she and her husband Sir Edmund Grimani Hornby were stationed in Constantinople. Henry Rumball who worked3 under Sir Edmund as Treasurer of the Supreme Consular Court of Constantinople [archive newspaper view], appears to have been living with them. This is probably how he met Adeline Eliza, though their relationship is not mentioned in her book. In the Henry James Hanson biography, he mentions the fact the Lady Hornby was living in one of his father’s houses. This was a fun find, as some of the pictures included in the Hanson Collection fit so perfectly with Emilia’s account of where they were living. Lady Hornby’s two books are still in print and is well worth reading (other being ‘In and around Stamboul’). One other fact of interest to Hanson researchers is that Emelia’s father, Francis Maceroni, according to her book spent a year of his life in that area. He was an engineer, inventor, soldier and a thwarted, would be rescuer of Napoleon Bonaparte from exile. In what capacity he was there she didn’t say, she just said that she had seen the house where he spent that year. His Biography is available on the web and is a very good read.
I have no Hanson or Rumball pictures from Turkey. It took me 5 years to uncover anything at all about Henry Rumball. I found evidence of Adeline Eliza and her daughter immigrating to Canada and of course using the name Rumball. I had also found Adeline and son Herbert Henry in UK census 1881 using the name Rumble, boarding, and from Constantinople.4 I knew I had the right people but never found any record leading me to Henry. To this day the only thing I had to go on was what come down through the family.
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My Grandfather Herbert Henry Rumball, according to family lore, was born in a harem where his mother was gifted by a Sultan with a lovely ring which is still in my possession. After becoming aware of Adeline’s background (thanks to your site) I quite doubt this tale! If any of this is of interest to any of your contacts I would very much like hearing from them. I am 82 years old and have always been interested in finding out more about my ancestors. The family is surely very interesting on all sides. These last five years of my life have been fun, even if the harem and ring story may be all hype for my grandmother’s cosmetic line5 which was supposedly gleaned from her mother-in-law’s stay at the harem! Henry was connected to the Embassy as the story was told and I do have the old birth certificate from Candilli. If Lady Hornby visited harems, as her book states, I guess the birth at the harem could have been true of Adeline. Does any one know??
Going further back in time on the Rumball side of the family, other mysteries creep up. The Levant Co. and the East India Co. both feature strongly in the history of my family tree and I have found it historically very interesting. The names in my tree date back to Barbados8 at the time of Captain Kidd and I find some of the names from there which crop up in Smyrna (eg. Cumberbatch). As yet I have not been able to link them but my intuition keeps nudging me on. Worrell for instance comes up in Barbados and in Smyrna comes Borell. The Barbados site warns of many errors in transcription due to the quality of the records and I can see some evidence of this. The records of the early American Colonies around Virginia and the south are stored in Barbados as many planters lived in the Colonies and had their plantations in Barbados. In the 1851 census Henry Rumball showed up at the home of his brother Thomas Rumball, civil engineer, and was listed as a West Indian Planter. Co-incidence or is he related to the Henry Rumball who inherited a plantation in St. George’s Parish in Barbados from Capt. Robert Rumball? Will proved 1662 --- I guess he could have been a grand son of one of the 3 brothers who inherited. His father’s name was Thomas Rumball and not much is known about him.
Thomas Rumball Married Jane Williams, Daughter of Jane Palmer and Edward Williams-Wynn. The Wynn was later dropped. Edwards parentage is a mystery that occupies many family members to this very day. Jane Palmer had 6 children, 2 boys and 4 girls. I am the great-great-grand-daughter of her daughter Jane who married Thomas Rumball. Henry Rumball their 1st born son is my great-grand-father. Henry married Charles Simpson Hanson’s daughter Adeline Eliza.
I have another contact, Andrew Malleson, of Canada, who contacted me about a year ago, after I left a message about trying to identify the correct Henry Rumball. He sent me a copy of The Williams Family tree which contained many notes and was so large it has to be spread out on a bed to read it. We are both descendants of two different sisters born to Jane Palmer and Edward Williams-Wynn. Nothing much is known about Edwards parentage, but there is some thought that he was the illegitimate son of the Winstay Wynnes family. This investigation has been going on for about a century I guess and includes investigators from Australia, Canada, London and Pennsylvania. I guess I have lots of cousins out there!
Andrew is the great-great-grandson of Lady Hornby’s Father, Francis Maceroni [image] who dictated his 1000 page 2 volume Biography - hover here for index section covering his time at Smyrna - to Henry Rumball’s younger brother Thomas when the boy was only about 9 yrs old. Thomas became a renowned Civil engineer. Francis Macaroni married, Elizabeth Ann Williams, Emelia’s mother and then also formed and illegitimate second family with her sister, Bithinia Charlotte Williams. This really confused family historians when the name of his wife kept changing. It is believed that neither family knew of the other. The family member who made the big tree and invested much of his life to the Big Tree, as I call it left all his family pictures and letters etc, to a nephew in Canada who very graciously hosted Andrew for a week while he made copies of everything. Lady Hornby’s book is still in print and probably in the library. Andrew sent me a copy as a gift and I loved it. One of her letters home tells about seeing the house where her father, Macaroni stayed for a year there in Constantinople somewhere. He was an inventor (The Macaroni Steam Carriage, which ran in London and is pictured in his Bio along with his portrait). He was also involved in a plot to lead some mercenary soldiers he had hired to rescue Napoleon from exile. They were too late. He believed the British had him poisoned. BBC ran a documentary about Napoleon’s dentist while in exile who, shortly before Napoleon died pulled his canine tooth and gave it to his would be rescuers, General Macaroni included. They were recently (Nov. 2005) auctioned off and sold for a huge amount of money (~£11.000). Francis had left his tooth to his wife who gave it to a friend who collected Napoleon Memorabilia. Emelia Hornby also visited harems with a Mrs Barker, summered on Price’s Island [Prinkipo], met Florence Nightingale and hosted a harem when a Pasha’s wife came to visit her. It was quite a tale. Henry was spotted by the wife through the window, while reading in the garden and she demanded to see him up close. After much discussion with her protectors, as Emelia felt the Pasha trusted her to act according to his customs, Henry was presented to the veiled women from a distance in the room. He cut up a bit of fabric and veiled his own face for awhile, teasing the women. Emelia pulled it off after a while and the women thought he was very handsome...
Then in May 2008, Andrew Malleson [click for his submission on the story of the Borell family of Smyrna] sent me copies of all that he copied from old family records. Within the files I came across an interesting bit about the whereabouts of a rug from Smyrna. It looks like a photo of a plaque, as it appears boxed.
A.M.G.D.
THIS RUG BROUGHT FROM SMYRNA
IS DEDICATED TO THE MEMORY OF
ELIZABETH ANNE MACERONI
1805-1882
AND HER DAUGHTERS
EMELIA BITHYNIA MACERONI
1824-1866 (LADY HORNBY)
GIULIA ISABEL MACERONI
1828-1911 (MRS VAILLANT)
THIS RUG BROUGHT FROM SMYRNA
IS DEDICATED TO THE MEMORY OF
ELIZABETH ANNE MACERONI
1805-1882
AND HER DAUGHTERS
EMELIA BITHYNIA MACERONI
1824-1866 (LADY HORNBY)
GIULIA ISABEL MACERONI
1828-1911 (MRS VAILLANT)
With a hand written note: Placed in the War Memorial Chapel of All Souls at SE James Weybridge.
So, I sent an e-mail to the Church authorities and they responded within a week and I was thrilled to get such a courteous reply:
We are definitely the church referred to in the text of the note you quote from, and indeed do have an All Souls Chapel which was refitted as a memorial to the men from the parish of Weybridge who died in World War One. There is also a rug in the church, though not in the All Souls Chapel. There is no plaque or note like the one you describe, so I can’t be sure that our rug (which is now a bit old and threadbare) is the one donated by your family. In any case, I attach a picture of it.
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However, one of the treasures of the church is the processional cross which was donated to us by Dame Giulia Vaillant, and she is also one of your forebears I attach a picture of that in case it’s of any interest to you, as well as of the inscription mentioning Dame Giulia. Famously, the cross includes a set of rock crystals which were part of a gift to her from China, and which were shipwrecked and recovered twice on the journey to Britain!
James Rattue - Assistant Curate, St James’ Church, Weybridge.
Guilia (Julia) Vaillant, was Francis Maceroni’s daughter by Elizabeth Ann Williams, his 1st and legal wife, sister of Jane Williams Rumball, Henry Rumball’s mother. Lady Emelia Maceroni Hornby was Guilia’s sister. These girls were his only children by Elizabeth Ann, who incidentally spent time in Constantinople with Emelia and Edmund helping to care for their children. In Emelia’s book it records a very severe winter and how well her mother coped with it. I gathered that Grandma and the children came to stay just before Sir Edmond Grimani Hornby was assigned to China. Their last child, Hugh, was born in Constantinople.
Many of Emelia’s letters in her book were written to Julia, and The Rug may have been a gift sent to her by Emelia. She was always collecting things to send home. Of course these things which were given to the church might have been things her father sent home also.
The 3rd Williams girl, Charlote Bythinia Williams Maceroni, was the mother of the girl who married the Borell and where Andrew Malleson eventually enters this family. I think this family was even more involved in that part of the world than we have thus far discovered. This is a family with history every where! Venezuela, China, Barbados, Calcutta, etc.
I have just recently been sent copies of all Wilfrid Vaillant’s (Maceroni’s grandson) research papers, which are 100 years old, and very interesting, if they can be read. I was very grateful when the typewriter come into the picture from some of the agencies he used! This collections includes family letters as well. Lucky me!
Returning to my direct lineage, Henry’s brother Thomas, whose son Thomas Drury is buried there in Turkey, was a civil engineer working there in Constantinope on the railroads, and other civic projects, such as waterworks etc. I do not know why the son died but I think he had the boy for his ‘rite of passage’6. A third brother of Henry, was Albert Rumball, also a civil engineer. He too was involved with Thomas and another fellow in a Gas plant or something for Russia. It seems to have fallen through, as it has not been followed up in either of their notes. Thomas had another son, Henry Medlicott Rumball, who was a barrister but was also involved in railroad building in Canada. Maybe he supervised the Purse!7
Adeline Hanson at the time had a brother with a farm in Canada, so maybe more could be turned up about her in their records. An old family tree that I have says she is buried up there and husband Henry who predeceased her at Scutari, Turkey. Another says they are both buried in Kensal Green Cemetery around London. Maybe it is just a marker in Kensal Green. Adeline died at the age of 82. She died at 1727 College Lane, Calgary on Sat. 30th January 1921 at 5 a.m., buried at Calgary, Alberta, Canada. I think Wilbur, the recorder of this tree, must have had a death certificate to have all this info. This could be a son’s address, as 3 of her sons settled in or around Calgary, or it also could be where her brother had his farm. One of her daughters, Adeline Beatrice predeceased her, in 1917 and is buried at Kersey, Alberta Canada, Leaving a husband and 2 young boys.
The investigations of the many strands of my family continue. I have come to the conclusion that Adeline Eliza Hanson’s lineage is of great interest and so is the lineage of her husband. I come from good stock all around! Well… good or not… INTERESTING.
Helen Clare Rumball Bule, Jan. 2008 hcbule[at]verizon.net
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Simplified family tree of the descendants of Henry Rumball of Constantinople.
Notes: References to the Rumball family of Constantinople are also found here:
1- Birth dates of two of Henry Rumball’s children recorded here: recorded interestingly in the registers of the Anglican Church of Malta, suggesting the family had ties with that island.
2- Obituary record of Walter Francis Rumball, born Constantinople 1867, died 1929 Peace River, Canada as recorded in that district’s regional paper.
3- The Hanson family records mentions the Rumball family fleetingly in parts, and there is a vague mention of ‘Rumball Trust’, obviously for the care of the children and widow post the death of Henry Rumball.
1 My dad always said his grand-father was an ambassador in Constantinople and from an English family of bankers. His father was called a Gentleman as was his father, as stated on the birth certificate we had.
2 A Papoose is a Native American Indian baby which was toted on it’s mothers back in a contraption made for that purpose. I was too young for geography yet but was told about Constantinople so I guess I thought Papooses came from both places. My dad was a cowboy in Wyoming when he was very young. I think he went out to Utah to visit his brother Mont, or maybe they both went out there and took up the job while on there way to visit their absent father. Herein lies another tale but it has no relevance to what you want to do here.
3 Emelia Hornby’s book mentioned the crew of the Antelope, in regards to cricket being played in Constantinople, and from an archive print from a newspaper viewable online, this ship appears to be ‘the British despatch boat’. While I was trying a few years back to figure out which Henry Rumball was mine, I found one, recorded in the London Times News in The Ships News listing. It recorded all of the ships in and out of the port, their captain, ship’s name, date and a bit about the exchange of chit chat with the harbor master or whoever checked them through. Rumball’s name always came from around the Port of Constantinople of ships from the West Indies bringing sugar etc. At the same time I found one census, ships at sea, in which he or at least a Henry Rumball born 1823, same as my Henry, as it turns out. I found him no where else at any time, but for some reason I thought it might be the right one. Now after finding that all the occasions which I have collected from the Times records would correspond to the period after Sir Edmund Hornby went to China and the last entry I found was around the time of Henry Rumball’s death. I tried looking earlier and later with no success. This could just be a big co-incidence, but what about Henry’s job under Edmund Hornby? Did it end with Edmunds? Maybe, he captained the Antelope? If it was the same ship, was it always stationed in Constantinople or did it also have commercial life / period? Did the new judge keep Henry on? In the 1851 UK census Henry described his occupation as a West Indian planter when he visited his brother Thomas Rumball in Hammersmith, London. In earlier times in Barbados, the Rumballs were represented as having plantations. They were all seafarers and Thomas Rumball the owner of a slave ship who also mastered it and others in and out of Barbados regularly in 1817-1820. Records stopped in 1800 but I am sure the plantations flourished long after that.
However I still can’t establish the records for the father of Henry Rumball, Thomas as we know from family records. Thomas Rumball’s all over the place in various records which look promising but no mention of a marriage to Jane Williams. The Family notes and letters speak of both of them as a married couple but nothing more of Thomas except he left Jane penniless and gambled away his fortune. I have perused some mighty interesting Thomas Rumballs, none of which were ‘men of honour’. They all sounded a bit ‘shifty’ to me.
I feel quite sure that one of those whose wills I checked may be the correct Thomas. They all had leasehold property they were trying to protect, one pair, father and son had lost faith in the elder’s grandson Thomas but were still trying to protect him as it was a 500 year lease! This pair, even married their 2nd wives at the same time. Grandpa sounded like he made a deal to take care of the widow he was about to marry, but I noticed that his fortune was enhanced greatly and was to go to his son’s heirs by his 1st wife. Her name was Maryanne, not Jane and the new wife, also Mary Anne, and a daughter of his first wife, also Mary Anne, gained by being compensated financially by a codicil. Talk about convoluted! A niece of Grandpa’s, “a good spinster”, Martha Price, was to be included in some way. In Martha Price’s will there is a small excerpt out on the web somewhere that says that she bequeaths to her niece and nephew, Martha Price and Thomas Rumball. That is a confusing bit but I can’t seem to find more about it. I got the feeling that it represented a battle of some kind which was being fought out in court. At the very least, it sort of convinced me that Thomas Rumball and Jane Williams were not legally married, which is almost funny. Macaroni is represented as keeping two sisters at the same time, but the dates of their children’s births indicate a separation by the parties of the first part! Thomas Rumball’s children were spaced nicely over 10 years, and if truly illegitimate, seemed to be well accepted by the extended family.
The Rumballs from the shipbuilders in New England is probably where our Henry came from. The ones in Barbados could have spawned him also. I have further records of a Thomas Rumball using a ship The Rachel and Betty (most likely named for his wife and daughter) shipping in and out of Barbados. He was the slave runner of Cumberland I think. He married Rachael Briggs. I don’t think these two are the same man. Since my Henry Rumball died in a Hanson home, according to the Bio., and appeared to be still working at the consulate after Sir Hornby left for China, it seems unlikely that he was either one. Still unaccounted for though, is what did he do as a young man after finishing his education? in 1836 or 8 Directory, a Henry Rumball ran or owned a pub, in Tillbury near Muckingham called The George or Dragon. That area has always had a maritime tradition, at the entrance of the River Thames. Could his father be my Thomas Rumball? Could he, Thomas have been a Guildmember? Wouldn’t the job of Supreme Accountant and Treasurer in the Service of HMS (Her Majesty’s Service?) require some expertise? That was listed as his Rank or Profession on his death certificate from Pera. In 1851 the whole Rumball clan gathered in the London area for some reason. Mother Jane Williams Rumball (now Drury) and now a widow, showed, at her home, her daughter Frances Charlotte and grand-daughter Augusta, her youngest Rumball boy, Alfred and her Drury boy, Richard Vere Drury. In the home of Thomas Rumball Jnr., still unmarried the census for that night showed Thomas, His brother Henry (Occ: West Indian Planter) Sister of Thomas, Janetta Rumball, Thomas Rumball’s step sister, Emma Vere Drury, and the daughter of Col. Maceroni, Julia, (Emelia Hornby’s sister). Why did they gather?
From census returns I have selected a Thomas Rumball, in Kensington, west London and the head of the household is shown as a Thomas of Epping who may have been responsible for the Rumball children born to Jane. The youngest one died in 1851 followed by a wife who missed him so much that she followed him the next month. His father could also be the guilty one. As he died too soon to have fathered Jane’s last son (Also a Civil Engineer) and his son seemed to have died in 1951, so I kind of favour him over other similar names. I have Wills from this extended family buried in the Kensington Cemetery where the Vere Family seem to be also, and where Augustus Vere Drury, Jane’s 2nd husband died. My 2nd Great Grandfather Thomas, was said to be responsible for losing his inheritance of £200 in 500 year leasehold properties. The grandson, as I call him, inherited from Grandpa through the father and they were worried about his ability to take charge it seemed. They had him backed up with friends and hid dad who are all mentioned as to keep their eye on him. Their names cropped up on a Sun Insurance certificate I saw on the web. The property they covered listed the same names as in the will, and another mention I found listed he, young Thomas and an Aunt also mentioned in the will of Grandpa, plus the names of his “care takers” involved in a law suit. Another Thomas in this family was Thomas of Epping, involved with the Chingford Volunteers, living in Hill House which I think was first called Hill Hall. Hill Hall figures in another story of Jane Williams Rumball Drury. When she married Drury she was reported in two different Naval Records as having married Augustus. One said she was the daughter of Edward Williams, and the other said she was the daughter of Sir George Williams a German Bart. I am hoping to find even a snibble of proof to back up my hunch about these Rumballs I mentioned and who is her real father by obtaining her will. Some of my earlier contacts mentioned that George Williams was mentioned in the will.
4 Henry Rumball died and was buried 2 May 1872 in Scutari Cemetery at age 48. He died in the home of one of his Hanson relatives, but I do not know from what. The youngest child would have been only 5 months old, and Herbert Henry Rumball, the oldest, would have been but 6 years old. With 5 children under 6 years of age, it is my guess that Adeline Rumball nee Hanson stayed basically in Pera with her family. She probably took Herbert Henry back to England to get him set up in school. I tried to find a family connection to the family where they boarded but could not find one. Likewise, I could not find them in the 1891 census (10 year later). Adeline and her daughter Adeline Beatrice immigrated to Canada at the turn of the century. I know they wound up in Calgary, and I have Adeleine Beatrice’s marriage, children, death and burial as being in Canada.
Older sister Winifred Rumball took the vows of The Order Of Christ. I would say that maybe she took these vows in England, as I had no record of her immigrating to Canada. I did find a nun by her name, along with other nuns, coming into New York as a group in 190?, or about that time.
Another Rumball tree states that brother Alfred Charles Rumball, who was a farmer in Shining Banks, Alberta, went to Oxford University in England where he studied English literature and religion (did that prepare him for farming?). Walter Francis was 4 yrs older than Alfred Charles and might have settled him in College and then immigrated to South Dakota, where I found him as farmer in 1900. He and his wife Annie had 6 children in Canada ranging from 1906-1919. That leaves us with Winifred. Maybe Adeline settled her into the convent when she took Herbert Henry over for school in 1881. She would have been only 12 years old, but it wouldn’t have been odd to enroll her first into a convent school where she later made the decision to take the Vows.
Adeline must have needed help, financially speaking when she was widowed so young. and it would seem that her family would have been her best bet to be her mainstay.
5 Mary Stanton Rumball was known as Madam Rumball here and in Pittsburgh, Pa. On one census her occupation was listed as manufacturer, so I think she must have used their home to mix the ingredients. I think she visited homes like an Avon lady ahead of her time! She left the formula to her sister who carried on for awhile and then it was passed down to Claire/Clare (like her, I too have documents spelled both ways). At that point she used a Lab called Larsen or Larson. I do remember the name of it but I don’t know if it was in Erie or if she used a New York City Lab. She was also the buyer of her clothing line and went there regularly. An interesting story here also regarding Clark Gable of ‘Gone with the wind’ fame. Clark Gable’s last wife, Kay Williams, was a friend of Aunt Clare, and her roots were in North East, a farming community just outside of Erie. Grape and Wine country. They, Kay, Clare and Clark, made the news here when they dined in New York City on one of Clare’s buying trips. A nice picture of the three of them appeared in the news and I really should see if I can unearth it in the Library or request it from the paper.
Mary Stanton Rumball’s family were considered pioneers of Erie, her father William was a member of the City Council from the incorporation of the city of Erie until close to his death. Also he or his son William owned one of three luxury Steam Ships that toured the Great lakes. Total value of the three vessels was listed at over a million and three quarter dollars! That was a whole lot of money in 1900!
6 Thomas Drury Rumball, died 1880 in Constantinople aged 19, was the nephew of Henry Rumball (also from London, who died 8 years earlier) recorded in a tombstone of Haidarpasha cemetery - views. No family historian has recorded him as being a soldier or anything, only his school record was mentioned. I surmised that he was taken along when his dad, the civil engineer, did quite abit of work for the Turkish Government at the time of this death. It would sort of served as a ‘rite of passage’ for young Thomas to be taken along. Maybe he was an engineering student. Thomas Sr., his brother Alfred, and Alfred’s son Charles were all civil engineers. Francis Maceroni (who was also an engineer, as well as a soldier) in fact started teaching the Rumball Boys when they were still very young, and then served as a language teacher at their school, without pay, so that these nephews could be taught free of charge.
I recall having read somewhere concerning a political affair about this Turkish line of the railroad being taken over by the Germans.
7 Henry Medlicott Rumball was living in Jamaica when I found him entering New York at regular intervals. His wife was not with him so I assumed it was to do with the railroads in Canada he was supposed to have built. He was always listed on census reports as a barrister, and since he was not an engineer, I assumed that he was taking care of the financial end of things up in Canada.
8 Going further back in time in the Caribbean, there is a Rumball marriage recorded in the archives of Barbados, possibly linked to the Rumball family above.
Again from Barbados of the 17th century, the entry for an inheritance document for a plantation.
A marriage record of Thomas Rumball in Cheshire, England - the same family?
2 A Papoose is a Native American Indian baby which was toted on it’s mothers back in a contraption made for that purpose. I was too young for geography yet but was told about Constantinople so I guess I thought Papooses came from both places. My dad was a cowboy in Wyoming when he was very young. I think he went out to Utah to visit his brother Mont, or maybe they both went out there and took up the job while on there way to visit their absent father. Herein lies another tale but it has no relevance to what you want to do here.
3 Emelia Hornby’s book mentioned the crew of the Antelope, in regards to cricket being played in Constantinople, and from an archive print from a newspaper viewable online, this ship appears to be ‘the British despatch boat’. While I was trying a few years back to figure out which Henry Rumball was mine, I found one, recorded in the London Times News in The Ships News listing. It recorded all of the ships in and out of the port, their captain, ship’s name, date and a bit about the exchange of chit chat with the harbor master or whoever checked them through. Rumball’s name always came from around the Port of Constantinople of ships from the West Indies bringing sugar etc. At the same time I found one census, ships at sea, in which he or at least a Henry Rumball born 1823, same as my Henry, as it turns out. I found him no where else at any time, but for some reason I thought it might be the right one. Now after finding that all the occasions which I have collected from the Times records would correspond to the period after Sir Edmund Hornby went to China and the last entry I found was around the time of Henry Rumball’s death. I tried looking earlier and later with no success. This could just be a big co-incidence, but what about Henry’s job under Edmund Hornby? Did it end with Edmunds? Maybe, he captained the Antelope? If it was the same ship, was it always stationed in Constantinople or did it also have commercial life / period? Did the new judge keep Henry on? In the 1851 UK census Henry described his occupation as a West Indian planter when he visited his brother Thomas Rumball in Hammersmith, London. In earlier times in Barbados, the Rumballs were represented as having plantations. They were all seafarers and Thomas Rumball the owner of a slave ship who also mastered it and others in and out of Barbados regularly in 1817-1820. Records stopped in 1800 but I am sure the plantations flourished long after that.
However I still can’t establish the records for the father of Henry Rumball, Thomas as we know from family records. Thomas Rumball’s all over the place in various records which look promising but no mention of a marriage to Jane Williams. The Family notes and letters speak of both of them as a married couple but nothing more of Thomas except he left Jane penniless and gambled away his fortune. I have perused some mighty interesting Thomas Rumballs, none of which were ‘men of honour’. They all sounded a bit ‘shifty’ to me.
I feel quite sure that one of those whose wills I checked may be the correct Thomas. They all had leasehold property they were trying to protect, one pair, father and son had lost faith in the elder’s grandson Thomas but were still trying to protect him as it was a 500 year lease! This pair, even married their 2nd wives at the same time. Grandpa sounded like he made a deal to take care of the widow he was about to marry, but I noticed that his fortune was enhanced greatly and was to go to his son’s heirs by his 1st wife. Her name was Maryanne, not Jane and the new wife, also Mary Anne, and a daughter of his first wife, also Mary Anne, gained by being compensated financially by a codicil. Talk about convoluted! A niece of Grandpa’s, “a good spinster”, Martha Price, was to be included in some way. In Martha Price’s will there is a small excerpt out on the web somewhere that says that she bequeaths to her niece and nephew, Martha Price and Thomas Rumball. That is a confusing bit but I can’t seem to find more about it. I got the feeling that it represented a battle of some kind which was being fought out in court. At the very least, it sort of convinced me that Thomas Rumball and Jane Williams were not legally married, which is almost funny. Macaroni is represented as keeping two sisters at the same time, but the dates of their children’s births indicate a separation by the parties of the first part! Thomas Rumball’s children were spaced nicely over 10 years, and if truly illegitimate, seemed to be well accepted by the extended family.
The Rumballs from the shipbuilders in New England is probably where our Henry came from. The ones in Barbados could have spawned him also. I have further records of a Thomas Rumball using a ship The Rachel and Betty (most likely named for his wife and daughter) shipping in and out of Barbados. He was the slave runner of Cumberland I think. He married Rachael Briggs. I don’t think these two are the same man. Since my Henry Rumball died in a Hanson home, according to the Bio., and appeared to be still working at the consulate after Sir Hornby left for China, it seems unlikely that he was either one. Still unaccounted for though, is what did he do as a young man after finishing his education? in 1836 or 8 Directory, a Henry Rumball ran or owned a pub, in Tillbury near Muckingham called The George or Dragon. That area has always had a maritime tradition, at the entrance of the River Thames. Could his father be my Thomas Rumball? Could he, Thomas have been a Guildmember? Wouldn’t the job of Supreme Accountant and Treasurer in the Service of HMS (Her Majesty’s Service?) require some expertise? That was listed as his Rank or Profession on his death certificate from Pera. In 1851 the whole Rumball clan gathered in the London area for some reason. Mother Jane Williams Rumball (now Drury) and now a widow, showed, at her home, her daughter Frances Charlotte and grand-daughter Augusta, her youngest Rumball boy, Alfred and her Drury boy, Richard Vere Drury. In the home of Thomas Rumball Jnr., still unmarried the census for that night showed Thomas, His brother Henry (Occ: West Indian Planter) Sister of Thomas, Janetta Rumball, Thomas Rumball’s step sister, Emma Vere Drury, and the daughter of Col. Maceroni, Julia, (Emelia Hornby’s sister). Why did they gather?
From census returns I have selected a Thomas Rumball, in Kensington, west London and the head of the household is shown as a Thomas of Epping who may have been responsible for the Rumball children born to Jane. The youngest one died in 1851 followed by a wife who missed him so much that she followed him the next month. His father could also be the guilty one. As he died too soon to have fathered Jane’s last son (Also a Civil Engineer) and his son seemed to have died in 1951, so I kind of favour him over other similar names. I have Wills from this extended family buried in the Kensington Cemetery where the Vere Family seem to be also, and where Augustus Vere Drury, Jane’s 2nd husband died. My 2nd Great Grandfather Thomas, was said to be responsible for losing his inheritance of £200 in 500 year leasehold properties. The grandson, as I call him, inherited from Grandpa through the father and they were worried about his ability to take charge it seemed. They had him backed up with friends and hid dad who are all mentioned as to keep their eye on him. Their names cropped up on a Sun Insurance certificate I saw on the web. The property they covered listed the same names as in the will, and another mention I found listed he, young Thomas and an Aunt also mentioned in the will of Grandpa, plus the names of his “care takers” involved in a law suit. Another Thomas in this family was Thomas of Epping, involved with the Chingford Volunteers, living in Hill House which I think was first called Hill Hall. Hill Hall figures in another story of Jane Williams Rumball Drury. When she married Drury she was reported in two different Naval Records as having married Augustus. One said she was the daughter of Edward Williams, and the other said she was the daughter of Sir George Williams a German Bart. I am hoping to find even a snibble of proof to back up my hunch about these Rumballs I mentioned and who is her real father by obtaining her will. Some of my earlier contacts mentioned that George Williams was mentioned in the will.
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Antelope and Rumball mentioned in the general shipping information in the New York Herald, 1869.
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Antelope and Rumball mentioned in the general shipping information in the New York Herald, April 26, 1870.
4 Henry Rumball died and was buried 2 May 1872 in Scutari Cemetery at age 48. He died in the home of one of his Hanson relatives, but I do not know from what. The youngest child would have been only 5 months old, and Herbert Henry Rumball, the oldest, would have been but 6 years old. With 5 children under 6 years of age, it is my guess that Adeline Rumball nee Hanson stayed basically in Pera with her family. She probably took Herbert Henry back to England to get him set up in school. I tried to find a family connection to the family where they boarded but could not find one. Likewise, I could not find them in the 1891 census (10 year later). Adeline and her daughter Adeline Beatrice immigrated to Canada at the turn of the century. I know they wound up in Calgary, and I have Adeleine Beatrice’s marriage, children, death and burial as being in Canada.
Older sister Winifred Rumball took the vows of The Order Of Christ. I would say that maybe she took these vows in England, as I had no record of her immigrating to Canada. I did find a nun by her name, along with other nuns, coming into New York as a group in 190?, or about that time.
Another Rumball tree states that brother Alfred Charles Rumball, who was a farmer in Shining Banks, Alberta, went to Oxford University in England where he studied English literature and religion (did that prepare him for farming?). Walter Francis was 4 yrs older than Alfred Charles and might have settled him in College and then immigrated to South Dakota, where I found him as farmer in 1900. He and his wife Annie had 6 children in Canada ranging from 1906-1919. That leaves us with Winifred. Maybe Adeline settled her into the convent when she took Herbert Henry over for school in 1881. She would have been only 12 years old, but it wouldn’t have been odd to enroll her first into a convent school where she later made the decision to take the Vows.
Adeline must have needed help, financially speaking when she was widowed so young. and it would seem that her family would have been her best bet to be her mainstay.
5 Mary Stanton Rumball was known as Madam Rumball here and in Pittsburgh, Pa. On one census her occupation was listed as manufacturer, so I think she must have used their home to mix the ingredients. I think she visited homes like an Avon lady ahead of her time! She left the formula to her sister who carried on for awhile and then it was passed down to Claire/Clare (like her, I too have documents spelled both ways). At that point she used a Lab called Larsen or Larson. I do remember the name of it but I don’t know if it was in Erie or if she used a New York City Lab. She was also the buyer of her clothing line and went there regularly. An interesting story here also regarding Clark Gable of ‘Gone with the wind’ fame. Clark Gable’s last wife, Kay Williams, was a friend of Aunt Clare, and her roots were in North East, a farming community just outside of Erie. Grape and Wine country. They, Kay, Clare and Clark, made the news here when they dined in New York City on one of Clare’s buying trips. A nice picture of the three of them appeared in the news and I really should see if I can unearth it in the Library or request it from the paper.
Mary Stanton Rumball’s family were considered pioneers of Erie, her father William was a member of the City Council from the incorporation of the city of Erie until close to his death. Also he or his son William owned one of three luxury Steam Ships that toured the Great lakes. Total value of the three vessels was listed at over a million and three quarter dollars! That was a whole lot of money in 1900!
6 Thomas Drury Rumball, died 1880 in Constantinople aged 19, was the nephew of Henry Rumball (also from London, who died 8 years earlier) recorded in a tombstone of Haidarpasha cemetery - views. No family historian has recorded him as being a soldier or anything, only his school record was mentioned. I surmised that he was taken along when his dad, the civil engineer, did quite abit of work for the Turkish Government at the time of this death. It would sort of served as a ‘rite of passage’ for young Thomas to be taken along. Maybe he was an engineering student. Thomas Sr., his brother Alfred, and Alfred’s son Charles were all civil engineers. Francis Maceroni (who was also an engineer, as well as a soldier) in fact started teaching the Rumball Boys when they were still very young, and then served as a language teacher at their school, without pay, so that these nephews could be taught free of charge.
I recall having read somewhere concerning a political affair about this Turkish line of the railroad being taken over by the Germans.
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The obituary of Thomas Sr. in the publication of the Institute of Civil Engineers.
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News Item from New York Times newspaper, February 14, 1868.
7 Henry Medlicott Rumball was living in Jamaica when I found him entering New York at regular intervals. His wife was not with him so I assumed it was to do with the railroads in Canada he was supposed to have built. He was always listed on census reports as a barrister, and since he was not an engineer, I assumed that he was taking care of the financial end of things up in Canada.
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8 Going further back in time in the Caribbean, there is a Rumball marriage recorded in the archives of Barbados, possibly linked to the Rumball family above.
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Again from Barbados of the 17th century, the entry for an inheritance document for a plantation.
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A marriage record of Thomas Rumball in Cheshire, England - the same family?
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